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Headlight Replacements.

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Hi All,
Just wondering if any one has the part number or information on the replacement headlights for a haffy. I believe they are roughly 124mm or 4 1/2" in the old scale. Pref the open back to take the H4 globe. If the seal beam version is all you can get well and be. Pref an supplier in Australia but if you can only get OS well be it.

I'm looking for 2 complete units if any one wishing to sell as well? Parts manual page 9.60/0 - PN 700.5.85.001.0

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I have aftermarket quartz halogen lights in my Haffie - the face of the headlights are 5" across so I guess the overall lights are 5 3/4" and have H4 globes.

Some possible options

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1pr-WHITE-5- ... 19e010b84b

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HEADLIGHT-IN ... 45f9ff9700

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Semi-Sealed- ... 46111488ec

So should be available through Repco, Supercheap etc as well as Auto Electrical specialists such as Ashtons.

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Only think would be the mounting points of the reflectors. Mine have a strange 3 arm system with springs to allow for adjustment. I believe Mr. Robert Prokschi has the original type for sale. http://www.puch500.at/?action=neuigkeiten

You also need to think about the bulbs you are going to put in as the originals are 35/35w and most common H4's are 55/60W.

Good luck with your hunting!

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Thanks Guys,

Now I have a starting point, I will follow up with the research.
The ones on ebay look good I just have to work out the mounting etc.

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Hello Brad

If you wanted to stick with the original setup- you can get all the parts from Autoquariat in Austria. I have bought from them the lenses, reflectors, surrounds, fittings, clips and foam seat. It is certainly a more expensive option than the eBay alternatives, but you do have the option if you want to stay original. Autoquariat reply to emails in English and they are fast to ship. Haflinger Technik and Robert Prokschi also have most of these parts available too.

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The original headlights with their 35/35 watt bulbs provide "adequate" light in a totally unlit country lane, but I found that it was hard to tell they were even on when driving in a street lit by street lights.

I currently have some "blue / white" quartz halogen variations which use the original BA20d fitting in and these are better, but still not great. They still do not really show a patch of light on street which is brighter than the street lighting.

So I am looking at improving the lighting system and staying with in the capabilities of the Dynastart output.
I'll post a new thread when tackle the issue.

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I have now installed a set if HID projector lensed lights in Lurch - see thread detailing what I have done. (http://thehaflinger.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=845 ) I have to say compared to the original lighting, the lighting currently is SO MUCH BETTER! You can actually see the light from them on the road and they illuminate enough for you to be able to drive at top speed.... without thinking "Can I see far enough ahead?"
I don't care that they are not original or even that they don't look original. They work and work well. :ugeek:

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hi all,

Would these items work? You would have to take the headlight out of the chrome casing but sounds like it would be right.

http://www.independentparts.com.au/inde ... gory_id=12 (headlight)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/H4-Hi-Low-Bi ... 0909689190 (Globes)

Waiting for your replies.

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Doug - the semi sealed lights you linked would certainly work but the crystal reflectors might look out of place in an older vehicle. I have something like these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5-3-4-Semi-S ... 1062156755 or these http://www.alanco.com.au/product/LHL-H1 ... at_id=6650

The second link you put up are to HID globes and will not work without the rest of the HID system - eg ballasts (is also technically illegal in normal light housings). If you go the semi sealed lights above you would be better just getting H4 Hi/Lo halogen globes from places like Repco or Super cheap. They will be 60/55w which is a bit high for a Haffies charging system but you might be able to get 35/30w globes from motor bike spare parts sellers.

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Doug,

The Haflinger standard head lights although 5 3/4 inch diameter have 3 mounting brackets fitted to the back of the reflector. None of the reflectors linked to above will have that sort of fitting / adjustment system.
If you have the old reflectors, but they are just to rusty or other wise too dim, you can use them to provide the fitting system, by cutting out the bulb holder part, making the new hole big enough to fit the new reflector bulb holder (assuming you are going for H4 bulb fittings). into. Thus the new reflector is put into the old reflector. The wire clips will bend enough to hold both reflectors up against the chrome ring.

If this is not clear enough, I can post some pictures of how I did it to mine before I replaced them completely with projector lens and HID bulbs.

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John and Garry,

Thank you for the info. I'm still just doing research. I thought that I had heard about the HID regulation somewhere. I still have plenty of time before I need to buy.

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perusing threads.....
I think it will soon be time for LED headlights.
They will not look std, maybe for that long trip & then return to the normal lights for originality.
http://www.jwspeaker.com/other/led-headlamps

model 8630, its 5.75", so a little big. Available LHD & RHD configurations
just thinking....
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If you thinking of making them quick swap, I would say - quite a lot of work involved.

What would you consider a "long trip" that would make it worth the effort of changing the headlight units over for?

Would you then change to original ones at the destination just so people there would see what might or might not be an "original" example of a Haflinger? Would they know what was original and what was not? A lot of the shows I go to, people have never seen a Haflinger before. This is where you get the questions like "is it amphibious?"
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking the idea / person / reason, just trying to get the context for need to have a quick swap system.

LED headlights would be far more efficient in terms of electrical requirement and hopefully in terms of light output on to the road that you wouldn't want to put the originals back in, particularly if you do any night driving. If the Haflinger is only ever used during the day, then the original headlight are probably perfectly good enough.

I certainly don't want to go back to the original 35/35 watt headlight after having put the HID projector lens'ed units in Lurch - the difference in light output is HUGE! I recently did a 2.5 hour night drive on all sorts of roads, from Highway to small unlit country roads and my HID's are obviously up to modern standards and allowed me to drive at the maximum speed the vehicle and or road conditions would allow.
I think I might have tried some LED headlights if I thought the light output on to the road would be at least as good or better than the original headlights. I went for HID's in the end because I knew from all the other cars out there with them what the light output would be.

Maybe if I could visit a supplier / stockist who would be willing to show a pair of LED headlights working so I could see with my own eyes what they illuminate in the dark, I might rethink the front lighting on Lurch.

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Hi John
I didn't mention a quick swap :-)), so I am thinking for a long trip, like if i went for bush for a couple of weeks and while here in OZ driving at night in the outback is fairly dangerous due to wildlife I doubt a Haffa would be a risk.

If one is into original and wanted to show their car then by all means spend the time to swap back to original, if thats your cup of tea. I gather most original cars headlights are stuffed [like mine] and need replacing or spending a fair amount of money to get all original.

The good LED lights are now better than HID in perhaps everything except distance [and cost?], youtube some comparisons. LEDs are used by most prototype race teams at Le Mans.

Maybe if you like original, then a LED light bar or even some of the small LED driving/fog lights on a quick release bracket.

the HIDs in our Cayenne are brilliant [sorry!]. Also in OZ HIDs need to have a self levelling function and washers; its another Aust design rule!
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Hi Nigel,

The only reason I mentioned "quick swap" is that if you plan to take the original head lights out and put some other head light (LED or other) in place. Then at a later swap them back again, it would make sense to do the original design work to make that swap as easy as possible.
Self leveling - does that mean they have to level them selves automatically without human intervention? Or does it mean "load leveling"?
Using the original 3 point mounting you can re-adjust beam height from inside a Haf with a socket and ratchet in no time at all. Washers, only a couple of length of piping and nozzles linked to the standard windscreen washer bottle.

As you obviously know, HID's have good throw as well as brilliance, I have't seen LED's that can match that yet although I am sure they are coming.

I am not trying to persuade you one way or the other, just providing alternative options. I have seen "standard" 5.25 / 5.50 / 5.75 inch lights fitted along with variations of bulbs - the main problem is the standard electrical system on a Haf is not all that powerful. So you have to work with in some pretty tough limits.

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Has anyone investigated installing twin light bars either side of the front towing point. It looks like in there that they maybe reasonable protected by the bumperbar and the sloping front? Could the dynastart drive them for say a coupe of hours without flattening the battery?

I'm off to get some measurements!!

Keep on Haffing

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wojo12 wrote:Could the dynastart drive them for say a coupe of hours without flattening the battery?
Depends on what load they draw - John has put up typical Haf load requirements somewhere recently so you would just need to work out what your load needs will be.

Why not just one light bar mounted in front of the air intakes - you can get brackets off ebay that bolt to the round bumper bar.
Light Brackets.jpg
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garrycol wrote:
wojo12 wrote:Could the dynastart drive them for say a coupe of hours without flattening the battery?
Depends on what load they draw - John has put up typical Haf load requirements somewhere recently so you would just need to work out what your load needs will be.

Why not just one light bar mounted in front of the air intakes - you can get brackets off ebay that bolt to the round bumper bar.
Light Brackets.jpg
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Too obvious and too vulnerable on the bumperbar.
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